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Ellen Brennan's avatar

I have observed my husband's entire family go MAGA. Half are conservative Catholic and half evangelical. We left the Republican Party 50 years ago and the Catholic church 25 years ago. We no longer have anything in common with them and rarely exchange brief text messages. It started with their opposition to abortion and taxes and took full control of their minds by listening to Rush Limbaugh and watching FOX. Politics has melded with religion and we are the black sheep. We're comfortable here though as we know our lives are more in line with the teachings of Jesus than they would be if we had stayed where we were many years ago.

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A HEART FOR JUSTICE's avatar

We have a very similar history and experiences I just shared. Hello friend. We’ve come to understand that “church” is not a building. It is a living breathing organism that is all about what Jesus taught and modeled. We are part of a huge “congregation”we feel more connected with then in any “building that calls itself church”. No one looks over our shoulder endeavoring to rein in our love and concern for ALL our neighbors. I’m glad you and I share this life endeavoring to walk in Love. Blessings.

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MARGARET KENDALL's avatar

The right-wing evangelists are loud and compelling in such a way that the listeners believe it all, and some of them ingest it all day. Imagine what that could do to one's brain, and it's borne out by the listeners mouthing it to anyone who will listen. I've never had a high opinion of nonreaders, and our culture of sound and video attracts those who want an "easy learn." When I visited Europe fifty years ago, many had a dim view of the "average American." Even then. I agreed. I was never in the mainstream. All I can do is improve myself, because I don't have the "seller gene." I'm thankful for John and others who do have that!

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Kathie Rezek's avatar

Amen. I am sorry for your loss of family, but understand the issue very well.

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Ellen H's avatar

Rush Limbaugh brainwashed many members of my family too.

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Lisa Lemza's avatar

It all started with abortion. Which is fact code word for 'women.' Honest-to-God, looking over the last 50 years in toto, it couldn't be more clear.

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Ellen Parker's avatar

John, I came to hear you speak in Black Mountain, NC during the first Trump presidency. Thank you for shining a light through the darkness. MAGA Jesus is not the Jesus that I know. I’m trying not to let these people steal my joy, but it’s been hard for me not to be angry. Praying for you as you continue to spread light and love.

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Robert Rhea's avatar

Thank you for sharing. Such words give me strength to be a better pastor to those in my care and to better share the love of God to those Jesus really does call us to love!

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Peggy McAloon's avatar

My heart breaks for the neighbor pastor who extols DJT as a man chosen by God to lead the people. I see her congregation as a cult seeing only the lies told and not the overwhelming suffering my fellow children of God are enduring. As my heart breaks for everything we have all lost, she leads her flock in rejoicing. It all feels like an unbelievable SciFi story.

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Peggy McAloon's avatar

16 There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, 19 a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community

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Myra Donnelley's avatar

I LOVE people that know their Scripture!

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Kathie Rezek's avatar

That whole "chosen thing"...I refer folks to Proverbs 6:16-19. Does this sound like the qualities of a person God would choose?

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Marijane Mercer's avatar

I am 80; baptized Catholic (& believed it ALL until I went to college); married to a brilliant and compassionate woman; retired high school teacher and magazine editor/illustrator....and I just am befuddled that ANYONE would believe, vote and bow to this Regime....is it that we just can't move out of our secure little bubbles? Jesus would throw us out of the temple and still welcome us back with open arms.

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Andra Watkins's avatar

I don't have a relationship with anyone from my time in Christian Nationalism. Including family. It is impossible for me to stay connected to hypocrites who go on mission trips to "save" brown people and would turn those same people away at our border. I'll no longer endure being forced to pray over meals in my own home to pacify people who cheer forcing millions into starvation. I won't tolerate family members who accuse me of demon possession simply because I care about humanity as Jesus did.

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A HEART FOR JUSTICE's avatar

I just want to add one more thing and affirm what you already know. John, you are a pastor now to a huge “congregation” outside the buildings - a massive group of the living “church” bigger than any mega church could ever hold. You have been called to greater things, not because you’re worthy but because you are willing. And we are grateful for your presence though it has cost you so much. We get it. That’s why our hearts are knit with yours.

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Debbie Swanson's avatar

I've lost two sisters to the extreme Christian nationalist cult. If I say ANYTHING remotely of my opinion on anything - "gosh, egg prices went up again this week" - or - "we've had some amazing women in politics who would have made good Presidents" - they stomp out of the room. I go to an Episcopal church. I'm considered apostate because we don't read from the Bible (but our liturgy is strictly written from the Bible). What the hell happened??? I'm slain by this. I mourn the loss of them. And because I mourn, I know I'm probably following the right path because I feel something and miss them. They don't mourn my loss. They've become unhuman. They feel no pain, no shame, no loss, no JOY, no sense of beauty - it's tragic. The only feeling I capture from them - pride. Proud of their President, proud someone was "sticking up for" them, proud someone was putting the rest of the world at our feet. I read pride is the beginning of sin. No matter. One thing I ask, and I'm not a biblical scholar about and need some clarification from anyone out there: One of them has said that she knows Trump isn't perfect, but he's the perfect anti-Christ, which is someone who "has to come to usher in the end of the world." Is there really a sentiment out there that Christians want to see the end of the world, that that is their final goal?

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Myra Donnelley's avatar

Your sister is likely an End of Days Xtian. Read the NT Book of Revelations (it is available free online and I quite like dramatic language of the King James version). This is what she is referring to and yes, there are a lot of these apocalyptic nihilists. Imagine the bleak and soulless emptiness of someone who voted for two bit reality TV host Donald Trump to "usher in the destruction of God's wondrous creation". (PS I am an atheist who reads a lot, but I have always recognized the glorious beauty of our planet and revelled in those moments, big and small, when humans show the best of ourselves.)

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Debbie Swanson's avatar

Why on earth would anyone wish that upon themselves and the rest of the world? Wouldn't they be trembling in fear and anticipation? I don't get it. But thanks for the explanation!

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Whitney Holiday's avatar

Because it’s vindication. It’s literally the be-all, end-all of “I told you so”.

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Diana Lanane's avatar

Hal Lindsey put forth his late-great planet earth, and he wrote that before the tribulation all true believers will be raptured. First he was wrong about Jesus returning before 1988, but many still see him as some kind of prophet. Add to that that the "rapture" comes from Paul's explanation that even though some people had already died before Jesus' return, they would still, in the end, be together with those who are alive at the time of Jesus' return and are "caught up together with Him in the clouds". The passage is totally irrelevant to any end times idea of whether the "rapture" happens before, during, or after the tribulation, but people who believe this book firmly believe the rapture will happen before the tribulation. This has been implanted into their minds. Therefore, they want end times to come in order to be with Jesus. It is some kind of romanticized end times narrative where the bad guys get theirs and Christians get to go away and avoid responsibility for what they have done. These people believe somehow humans can move God's timeline along by choosing anti-Christ leaders, so they completely support Trump.

Yet there is another group who firmly believe Trump will have some kind of miraculous transformation and lead this country and the world into a some kind of golden age of Christianity. There were many internet, so-called, prophets making this claim prior to Trump's first election. There are some who still cling to this.

And then there is the New Apostolic Reformation, the largest Christo-political cult of our time. They have decided that people who stand against them and their "Christian" goals are demons in human skin and it is perfectly acceptable to kill them. They train to take up weapons of war against their enemies. Their enemies are not human and therefore any evil done to them is not wrong. It is done on behalf of God. They believe they are God's army.

Anyway, when we read about the tribulation in Revelation it is something horrific that I pray neither I nor my family will have to live through. Those who want to make this happen sooner really have been deceived. The idea that we can speed along God's timeline is arrogant. It is more likely we are about to put ourselves through something as horrific as what Germany and Europe went through prior to and during WWII. I keep praying that God will spare us from this, but I'm deeply concerned that whether we voted for him or not, those who worship Trump will drag us all into this political abyss. It will be our faith and community and trust in God that will deal with the remnants of what remains after all the damage is done, and step up to help heal the wounds left by this evil in our time.

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Hazel sweetie's avatar

Yes …. There is and the general sentiment is great joy because “they will be saved in the rapture “ and the rest of the world destroyed …. (LATE GREAT PLANET EARTH) … which is the sticking point really …. If we rejoice over the destruction of God’s creation …. Whose side are we on?

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Kathie Rezek's avatar

Yes. I can relate. Not as a pastor, but as a follower of Jesus who had to leave a congregation that I had attended faithfully for over 4 years and led a ladies' study there. But since I did not support Trump and voiced my opposition and reasoning I was branded a heretic and not a "genuine" Christian. So be it...I politely replied that I'd let Jesus sort it out and left. The part that bothers me about it, is that my daughter is a missionary in France, she spoke there every summer and they supported her UNTIL I "came out" as "woke". She is far more gracious about it than I.

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Jeannette LoVetri's avatar

Thankfully, I left the Catholic Church more than 54 years ago at age 22. I saw hypocrisy then. I subsequently married the son of an evangelical minister and had the horrible experience of visiting the church of his father's friend in which I sat in a packed building listening to the minister preach a sermon full of hate and fear. I cried during the sermon because to walk out, crawling over a pew full of people who were in rapt attention, would have embarrassed my then father-in-law and I was not comfortable doing that. I told my then husband to never, ever put me in that situation again. That was about 35 years ago, so this hate has been brewing for a long time. Reading Katherine Stewart's newest book has given me more details. Really, the basis for this is as old as some of these "so called" christian beliefs. Be glad, John, that you left these actual hypocrites. Be glad that you understood the teachings of Jesus. Be glad that you are standing for his message. You are most certainly not alone. I know now that there is just one religion -- love. His message to love thy neighbor is the only one that matters. We are here as one race on one beloved planet and love must conquer hate, fear and anger. You make that more possible for people who are on the fence with their own religious beliefs. Keep writing.

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Diana Lanane's avatar

The hate has its roots clear back in the Depression. A psychologist went to a meeting with business men and working with a pastor they started connecting Christian values, conservatism and capitalism in reaction to the New Deal. (Book - One Nation Under God, by Kevin Kruse). When I was a young parent we were being told in our churches in the 80s that the only source of Christian News was Fox. This has been in the works for decades.

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Ashley A Evensen's avatar

I am a better "Christian" than these people and I amnot a Christian. Hypocrites!

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John Schwarzkopf's avatar

The same with me. I walked away from the church before dumbass was elected the first time and I've never regretted it. I have a brother in law who was never religious in the least until Trump was elected and now he's the biggest Bible thumper you ever saw. Also the biggest white nationalist Trumptard you ever saw. I have no contact with him and minimal contact with my sister and that suits me just fine. I choose the people I associate with and that works. If some people feel better believing in religion that's fine. Just don't try to push it on people who neither want or need it.

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Jenna's avatar

The part I find scary is that a lot of people who profess they hate Drumpf voted for him and are lying to us :(. I have found out this first hand.

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Tee Ree's avatar

They hate demon-crats more than they hate the orange anti-Christ. It’s a fact.

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Barbara Greer's avatar

"Their rejection has pushed me to a more expansive space, to a much larger table. Moving away from their religion, I think I've found closer proximity to Jesus."

Exactly. Jesus faced the same kind of egregious hypocrisy in his time also and didn't bend to it. In fact, it was the perfect foil to show the path forward.

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Lewiekee's avatar

Thank you for speaking the truth about how & what The Savior taught. It’s hard to see how “Christians” can be so sure they’re righteous while living a diametrically opposed ideology. Their arrogance, in my opinion, causes so much pain & hurt to our brothers & sisters. And yet I believe that the Savior loves us all. It is not our job to judge or condemn them. We all will be judged by The One that knows & loves us and knows the end from the beginning. We are to love one another. That doesn’t mean we have to agree or accept what is unacceptable to our moral code. You are such a brave soul to stand up for the truth of the teachings of the Savior. Stay strong & continue spreading His Love.

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Lori Harriman's avatar

If we're supposed to do what Jesus did, he certainly called out hypocrisy that hurt others and caused people to turn away from God. (Matthew 25, and what he did in the synogogue during Passover.)

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Donna Whitehead's avatar

Thank goodness you have said this out loud! I feel the same way and I know my spiritual journey is stronger now than any day I stepped into one of those “places of worship.”

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Brian Longo's avatar

I can't imagine the grief you've gone through in losing people who you once admired or considered friends due to Mango Mussolini and his cult following. Except for my parents, I have cut ties with anyone who voted for Trump this past election because it's obvious their values do not align with my own.

As I tell people, "I am an atheist but I am more Christian than many so-called 'Christians' in this country", because I am also a humanist, which coincides with the teachings of the Bible more than many people realize. And while I may not have the knowledge of someone who has studied the Bible or religion itself, the tenets are very clear and far too many people who use their Bibles as a cudgel are perpetrating others and are perverting the teachings to suit their horrible agendas.

I respect you so much for standing up for your morals and beliefs against an overwhelming opposition - those same morals and beliefs that others have eschewed. In my eyes you are a true Christian; one who is humble, self-reflecting, knows and understands that you are imperfect, are accountable to yourself and others, and who strives to make the world better for those around you. You actually understand embrace the teachings of Jesus and I admire you for being steadfast in your faith.

You will always have a fan in this atheist. Godspeed.

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Jenna's avatar

I can't believe the names that Christians call us all in the name of the Mango Mussolini. I don't know why they can't see they are in a cult and all following a person who claims to be a special person of God. :(. All they do is spend all day ranting in their chat rooms and forums about how bad we are. I have lost many family members to the orange devil.

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Margaret Wisniewski's avatar

I am sorry for what you have experienced as a pastor. I cannot imagine how difficult it must be to tolerate the hatred and hypocrisy. I struggle to confront friends and family members who follow Trump and his army of liars and hypocrites and ex-convicts and sex offenders, and I wonder how they continue to stay silent. I wonder how they look in the mirror, or how they manage to sleep at night. Yet not even one of them has shown a glimmer of recognition that maybe they were wrong. I am not sure what I would do if that ever happens. If it does, I will be sure to write you a message here!!

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