For a brief moment, watching Donald Trump and Elon Musk in a petty, posturing social media catfight was amusing; a welcome bit of schadenfreude seeing the unholy marriage of two of the most reprehensible human beings on the planet go south so spectacularly, so quickly.
I absolutely believe it. I live in NC and somehow we elected a Dem governor (thank God!) and almost entirely a Dem Council of State, yet gave electoral votes to the orange manbaby. Doesn’t make sense. I, too, wish we had asked for recounts in many states. Something seemed off at the top of the ballot.
I live in NC. I am loathe to give credence to election fraud, but when it walks like a duck…. And we had, and now HAVE, Mark Harris to point our fingers at. We have experience, y’all. (To say nothing of our being the most gerrymandered state in the nation.)
Though it is too late for a recount (millions of votes have been disappeared -- tossed in the trash or hacked into oblivion by Musk, ergo are unavailable to count -- IT IS NOT TOO LATE FOR A FORENSIC AUDIT & FULLSCALE INVESTIGATION!!!
Pester, nag, hound, harry, plague, bug, hassle, aggravate, besiege & bedevil your reps -- Congresspeople & Senators -- until they demand a forensic audit!!!
The election results were NOT sound -- there was voter and/or vote interference. It's extremely likely that Musk hacked the vote counting software in multiple states -- we know about PA for certain because a deliriously joyful tRUMP already blurted it on live TV on election day. That said-- NO to a recount and YES to a forensic audit. A recount would not provide a sound result because it cannot be completely conducted -- many votes were disappeared by zealous MAGAts who literally threw them in the trash or were disappeared by Musk via hacking.
SO IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT AN INVESTIGATION BE CONDUCTED into the hugely suspicious election results -- all registered voters need to be contacted and interviewed re (a) whether they voted and (b) if so, for whom. Yes, I know, we’re talking millions of voters, and that’ll take a helluva lot of time. But it’s necessary and worth it -- there is already PROBATIVE EVIDENCE that would stand up in court, close to a preponderance of it, that shows various forms of voter suppression were utilized by the MAGAts in that election to ensure tRUMP's victory, even if by cheating (like MAGAts care about integrity - uh, nope) and that a great many votes for Harris, 5-6 million are estimated, went MIA:
(1) votes were literally physically discarded into trashcans -- certain groups in particular were targeted for vote trashing -- if you are Black or Hispanic, it's highly likely (20% - 40% probable, depending on where you voted)) that your vote was trashed, and among all other registered Dems, it's estimated that at least 12% of your votes were trashed (tossed, not counted), (2) voters were threatened or intimidated to keep them away from polls, (3) voting districts were redrawn (gerrymandering) to prevent voters from voting, (4) voters were turned away when at the polls for not being legitimate registered voters when they in fact were, and lastly (5) there's tech genius Musk fucking with computer programs that counted votes. BOTTOM LINE: There was NO election integrity or legitimacy. It stank rank big time -- or should I say bigly?
WILL YOU STAND FOR THIS??? Is a rigged election and illegitimate “president” OK by you? Cuz it sure ain’t OK by me!!
Good choice -- AOC & Bernie!!! Now that pair will undoubtedly find a way to spark a groundswell to force our do-nothing reps, in Congress & Senate, to open a forensic audit!
A recount is useless (millions of votes trashed or hacked into oblivion by Musk so not available to recount), but a forensic audit AND full-scale investigation can result in tRUMP getting booted out of the WH -- and into prison where he belongs.
A report in Madison Wisconsin revealed that 200 or more mail in votes were found in trashcans. I never did see any follow up on that. When I voted here in Wisconsin for our supreme court Judge recently, I hobbled to the polls and voted in person. No more mail-ins for me for now!
I was so surprised when right after election day no investigating happened. I figured someone didn't want to "be like them". Then I read an article (my mind is so tired from articles I can't remember anything) about an untraceable hack. Wisconsin should have gone blue. Madison alone, which is usually 87% blue, had dropped to 75%. It's disturbing.
I know, right? I've seen similar stories that appear just the once with no follow-up. There's got to be a great big award-winning scoop in this for a dedicated journalist.
Re going in person to the voting poll places: Good course of action considering the times we live in -- I'm doing the same. Now all we need is hackproof software for tabulating the votes, eh?
Thank you! I stopped trusting mail many years ago. Seemed to me like a very easy way to skew an election. I am very grateful here in Illinois for early voting which to me seems like the perfect method to prevent "lost" votes.
Here is Musks interview with Tucker Carlson pre-election…"If Harris wins, I'm fucked" and went on to say he could go to jail? Why not give Musk immunity and deporatation if he fesses up to his wrongdoing.
Thank you for the Musk interview link -- and YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! to giving Musk immunity -- along with a boot in the ass right out of our country -- for fessing up.
Please reread this John Pavlovitz column from May 12: Silence is a Statement Now, and Here's What It's Saying. This is how John concludes:
I don’t give a damn if ... you’re not a confrontational person. It’s time you stopped hiding behind that cop-out cowardice.
At some point, either your humanity kicks in or it doesn’t. Either you find your voice or you allow the empty void to testify loudly on your behalf.
We have reached a harsh duality: you’re either with him [trump] or with Humanity. You are either one who speaks in opposition to evil or who says nothing and partners with it.
At this point, silence is a forceful, screaming declaration that says:
I am not personally hurting enough yet to change anything.
I am still operating under the myth of my safety.
I am not kept awake by the nightmares that others are living through.
I am not engaged or informed enough to understand the gravity of the moment.
I am not willing to encounter the turbulence that authenticity brings.
As grievously wounded this nation is by the legion of those who continually spew hatred, the quiet of those I once believed would not tolerate it might be the fatal blow.
To all our fellow Americans saying nothing right now: we hear you.
TO WHICH I SAY: Extremely well-stated, John, and exactly right -- and THANK YOU.
Silence these days = tacit approval. So... Turn that around, and do it NOW!! Be bold! Be fierce! TAKE ACTION and stand up for our country that was, the country we're losing piecemeal day by day -- and our democracy, our Constitution, our rights and freedoms, and ALL OF OUR PEOPLE -- and bring it back through ALL of your actions!!! Make a BIG NOISE and "GOOD TROUBLE."
I absolutely believe it. Especially when the results in those swing states voted trump at the top and no other candidates were voted for. Highly suspicious, yet not investigated.
I honestly don't know what I believe. I *hate* turning into an election denier--being just like they are. But here's a tidbit that is overlooked: The seven "swing states" ALL, improbably, went to trump. That didn't seem possible. But Nebraska, which divides its electoral votes, got our "blue dot" in CD2. It's almost like Musk didn't bother (or remember) to alter results in Nebraska. The blue dot also won in 2008 and 2020, and when it went blue, so did the rest of the country, UNTIL 2024. It just seems a bit fishy that a swing district in Nebraska would be blue but NOT ONE of the other swing states would. Let's just hope that Musk gets angry enough, or ketamine-addled enough, to spill it.
Sure Musk spilled the beans about tRUMP-Epstein, but he won't blurt the truth about this -- helping tRUMP win the election via sabotaging computer program run vote counting -- because he'd be facing prison. He's too cagey to jeopardize his own freedom... unless, as you say, he's ketamine-addled enough. Let's hope he does a glut of Special K to get him blabbing!
Ditto what Karen Johnson said above: tRUMP himself already did blab the truth, and I caught it on election night live news: He gleefully gloated that Musk fixed things in PA so he won the state! Right there on live news in color on our TVs! Check it out! Couldn't be clearer!
If Musk was offered a sweet enough plea deal, he'd sing like a canary in a coal mine in a New York minute. You know, one that included another $225 million contract for him to blow up rockets on our dime.
Yes, I believe you're right -- I forgot about plea deals offering immunity from prosecution. May it be thus! And kick Musk out of this country as part of his deal.
I don't know much about election laws in the swing states, but how far could a prosecution actually *go*? Trump would send his brownshirts after anyone who tried.
I’m with you regarding your election denier statement. At the same time it had crossed my mind after Trump’s remarks about Pennsylvania and winning because of Elon and his computer knowledge. Something to that effect, I don’t remember exactly. But reading this and these comments here … what a mess. I can’t even say a beautiful mess .. 😳
It is weird. I suppose it's plausibly hyperbole and bluster from that white supremacist con man. He has enough money to buy sufficiently competent hackers. But, he has shown time and time again through his words that he doesn't understand how this country was intended to work, doesn't care enough to learn, and has never *had* to learn these things—because money buys everything for this vile troll, who was born with an emerald spoon in his mouth. So it could just be an assertion that his money made the difference, and it's murky exactly how. Could also refer to any one of a number of things that made a difference, like precision-targeted social media propaganda, which definitely depressed turnout.
I absolutely agree with you John. It is incomprehensible and unforgivable that the Dem Party conceded too quickly, even before demanding voting machine audits and vote recounts in some of key districts. This should be standard practice in all presidential elections and the case is more compelling in this ultra high-stakes election
I agree 100%. Living in one of those states, the fact the the Democratic candidate for senate won handily but Trump won the presidential election was highly suspect. And yes, not at least calling fir verification was a big mistake. I think there was trepidation after the disaster of Jan 6. And fear that if it was overturned, the carnage would have been even worse. So here we are...bereft of decency and democracy. So very sad.
Good point re fearing that tRUMP would unleash his hounds and wreak carnage if he didn't win. Are we that spineless that we'd back down from that fight? Are we that spineless that we'd let the Orange Malignance rig the election and win by cheating? Are we that spineless that we'd allow this monster to become our ILLEGITIMATE president because we dared not face what could've been a civil war if he lost?
And how are we liking the results of our cravenness? Anybody happy out there besides the diehard tRUMP cult zealots? Anybody liking the depraved, vicious changes wrought by this monster, this ILLEGITIMATE president? Anybody liking living in a dystopian fascist police state / oligarchy / dictatorship / kleptocratic kakistocracy? Are you good with this?
I mean, WTF, people?
Me personally, I was ready for civil war and willing to fight. I emailed a good friend months before election day telling her that I was prepared to take a stand if it came to civil war. I may not be able to do much at 75, but I'm willing to do whatever is necessary to save our country, our democracy, our Constitution. I'd procure supplies and drive them to the front lines, dole out food, bandage wounds, whatever I can, whatever this old body can do, I'd do.
Because continuing to live in a FREE COUNTRY means that much to me. Dying to preserve that would be an honorable way to go, and I'm saying that as a lifelong pacifist.
It will take many election cycles before I trust results as I did in the past. Trump refused to cede power and his position to Joe Biden. He was determined to get his second term and I do believe with Musk's tech savvy and money, he could have easily tweeked the vote count for Harris and other democrats. Harris conceded too quickly and I will never understand why. They had 3 months between the election and Trump's Inauguration to do some sort of investigation.
I’ve believed since the election that Musk had something to do with cheating. There’s no way trump won all the swing states. Was so disappointed when Dems didn’t question this at the time.
Thank you. I've always believed there should have been a recount, but Dems, the Left and anti-Trumpers kept saying "Don't be like them! Don't be like the Right!" This was such a huge mistake. The media has propped up Trump for years. Even now they harp on Joe Biden and won't acknowledge the insanity of Trump. Until Democrats or an opposition party toughen up and quit being so passive nothing will change.
Well, except this: A recount would have been useless because millions of votes literally were disappeared, went MIA. Many of those were physically thrown in the garbage by vote counters (MAGAts I presume), and many others were probably disappeared by Musk and his unauthorized fiddling with vote counting programming and covering his techy tracks. All told an estimated approx 5-6 million votes went MIA.
So how can you recount them? They're gone. Sucked into the vortex never to be counted.
Ergo, an investigation must be conducted into all forms of voter suppression utilized by Team tRUMP and his mindless MAGAts. Already we know plenty of probative evidence that would stand up in court, and there is much more to uncover. We do know enough at this point to make a well-educated guess that Harris would have won by maybe 3 million votes (?) if this election had been legit.
"What then must we do?" Leo Tolstoy asked this. And for us, here & now, the answer is this: Contact again and again and again those who purport to represent you -- your Congress people & Senators -- and browbeat them silly until they finally get off their butts and take action and support an investigation. Be a gadfly! If enough of us tediously annoy our reps, maybe we'll get some truth.
WHAT RESULT DO I WANT? That a wholly new safeguarded vote will be taken -- sans antiquated unnecessary electoral college abomination -- that shows the true will of the people of this country.
A girl can do more than dream -- a girl can be a GRRRL and take action! Goes for you guys, too! We ourselves, not just our reps, also must quit being so passive!
You are totally right and this has been beautifully written by you as something logical and possible and not just a conspiracy theory like the other side. This needs to be shouted from the rooftops!! But with Trump's lackeys fully in charge of the DOJ and other government offices, who would power such a thorough investigation that could be a major game changer if true facts came out?
My thoughts too: Harris conceded too quickly. Asking for recounts would have been a totally reasonable move. It’s not the same as filing 60 lawsuits, losing them, and then still insisting that we had won.
I have been saying this since the shocking reported results of Trump winning not only every swing state but the popular vote…NO FREAKING WAY!!! I’m I’m very upset that the Democrats did not even try to figure out how that had happened. 🤦🏼♀️
Maybe cheaters never win in the end, but here's where we're at right now: tRUMP DID WIN BY CHEATING, and he is our "president," albeit ILLEGITIMATE and monstrous and evil. And meanwhile, until he's ousted, we're forced to endure the chaos, pandemonium, uncertainty, anxiety, fear, lack of medical care and sky-rocketing food prices, brutal ICE grabs & deportations, countless abuses of civil rights and the rule of law, the flagrant fuck you disregard of our Constitution, and being pounded by many other fresh hells on a daily basis.
And that "meanwhile" will last until we all grow a pair of big brass clanking balls -- that includes us too, ladies -- and get off our butts and make every damn effort we can to oust this illegitimate cheating shithead malevolent perfidious "president."
I completely agree with you. I never understood why the Dems didn't call for a recount or audit. Especially in the swing states. This is another problem with the democratic party. Stop being so cooperative! That's what got us into this disastrous mess.
I’ve been saying this for months. What you have written is perfectly stated.
I absolutely believe it. I live in NC and somehow we elected a Dem governor (thank God!) and almost entirely a Dem Council of State, yet gave electoral votes to the orange manbaby. Doesn’t make sense. I, too, wish we had asked for recounts in many states. Something seemed off at the top of the ballot.
I live in NC. I am loathe to give credence to election fraud, but when it walks like a duck…. And we had, and now HAVE, Mark Harris to point our fingers at. We have experience, y’all. (To say nothing of our being the most gerrymandered state in the nation.)
It's not too late
Though it is too late for a recount (millions of votes have been disappeared -- tossed in the trash or hacked into oblivion by Musk, ergo are unavailable to count -- IT IS NOT TOO LATE FOR A FORENSIC AUDIT & FULLSCALE INVESTIGATION!!!
Pester, nag, hound, harry, plague, bug, hassle, aggravate, besiege & bedevil your reps -- Congresspeople & Senators -- until they demand a forensic audit!!!
Look up Greg Palast. I’m looking for the links now.
The election results were NOT sound -- there was voter and/or vote interference. It's extremely likely that Musk hacked the vote counting software in multiple states -- we know about PA for certain because a deliriously joyful tRUMP already blurted it on live TV on election day. That said-- NO to a recount and YES to a forensic audit. A recount would not provide a sound result because it cannot be completely conducted -- many votes were disappeared by zealous MAGAts who literally threw them in the trash or were disappeared by Musk via hacking.
SO IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT AN INVESTIGATION BE CONDUCTED into the hugely suspicious election results -- all registered voters need to be contacted and interviewed re (a) whether they voted and (b) if so, for whom. Yes, I know, we’re talking millions of voters, and that’ll take a helluva lot of time. But it’s necessary and worth it -- there is already PROBATIVE EVIDENCE that would stand up in court, close to a preponderance of it, that shows various forms of voter suppression were utilized by the MAGAts in that election to ensure tRUMP's victory, even if by cheating (like MAGAts care about integrity - uh, nope) and that a great many votes for Harris, 5-6 million are estimated, went MIA:
(1) votes were literally physically discarded into trashcans -- certain groups in particular were targeted for vote trashing -- if you are Black or Hispanic, it's highly likely (20% - 40% probable, depending on where you voted)) that your vote was trashed, and among all other registered Dems, it's estimated that at least 12% of your votes were trashed (tossed, not counted), (2) voters were threatened or intimidated to keep them away from polls, (3) voting districts were redrawn (gerrymandering) to prevent voters from voting, (4) voters were turned away when at the polls for not being legitimate registered voters when they in fact were, and lastly (5) there's tech genius Musk fucking with computer programs that counted votes. BOTTOM LINE: There was NO election integrity or legitimacy. It stank rank big time -- or should I say bigly?
WILL YOU STAND FOR THIS??? Is a rigged election and illegitimate “president” OK by you? Cuz it sure ain’t OK by me!!
I sent John Pavlovitz’ article to Schumer and Jeffries. I asked them both to please read it and DO something!
Good luck getting either one of them to move.
Schumer will flap his wings like Tweetie Bird and chirp, “We will win! We will win!”
I just sent Pavlovitz’ article to AOC and Bernie.
Good choice -- AOC & Bernie!!! Now that pair will undoubtedly find a way to spark a groundswell to force our do-nothing reps, in Congress & Senate, to open a forensic audit!
A recount is useless (millions of votes trashed or hacked into oblivion by Musk so not available to recount), but a forensic audit AND full-scale investigation can result in tRUMP getting booted out of the WH -- and into prison where he belongs.
Awesome!!! Thank you!!!
A report in Madison Wisconsin revealed that 200 or more mail in votes were found in trashcans. I never did see any follow up on that. When I voted here in Wisconsin for our supreme court Judge recently, I hobbled to the polls and voted in person. No more mail-ins for me for now!
I was so surprised when right after election day no investigating happened. I figured someone didn't want to "be like them". Then I read an article (my mind is so tired from articles I can't remember anything) about an untraceable hack. Wisconsin should have gone blue. Madison alone, which is usually 87% blue, had dropped to 75%. It's disturbing.
I know, right? I've seen similar stories that appear just the once with no follow-up. There's got to be a great big award-winning scoop in this for a dedicated journalist.
Re going in person to the voting poll places: Good course of action considering the times we live in -- I'm doing the same. Now all we need is hackproof software for tabulating the votes, eh?
Thank you! I stopped trusting mail many years ago. Seemed to me like a very easy way to skew an election. I am very grateful here in Illinois for early voting which to me seems like the perfect method to prevent "lost" votes.
Here is Musks interview with Tucker Carlson pre-election…"If Harris wins, I'm fucked" and went on to say he could go to jail? Why not give Musk immunity and deporatation if he fesses up to his wrongdoing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b04YJ18_aeE
Thank you for the Musk interview link -- and YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! to giving Musk immunity -- along with a boot in the ass right out of our country -- for fessing up.
Yep - I remember that interview. I also love your suggestion for getting Musk to admit wrongdoing
Please reread this John Pavlovitz column from May 12: Silence is a Statement Now, and Here's What It's Saying. This is how John concludes:
I don’t give a damn if ... you’re not a confrontational person. It’s time you stopped hiding behind that cop-out cowardice.
At some point, either your humanity kicks in or it doesn’t. Either you find your voice or you allow the empty void to testify loudly on your behalf.
We have reached a harsh duality: you’re either with him [trump] or with Humanity. You are either one who speaks in opposition to evil or who says nothing and partners with it.
At this point, silence is a forceful, screaming declaration that says:
I am not personally hurting enough yet to change anything.
I am still operating under the myth of my safety.
I am not kept awake by the nightmares that others are living through.
I am not engaged or informed enough to understand the gravity of the moment.
I am not willing to encounter the turbulence that authenticity brings.
As grievously wounded this nation is by the legion of those who continually spew hatred, the quiet of those I once believed would not tolerate it might be the fatal blow.
To all our fellow Americans saying nothing right now: we hear you.
TO WHICH I SAY: Extremely well-stated, John, and exactly right -- and THANK YOU.
Silence these days = tacit approval. So... Turn that around, and do it NOW!! Be bold! Be fierce! TAKE ACTION and stand up for our country that was, the country we're losing piecemeal day by day -- and our democracy, our Constitution, our rights and freedoms, and ALL OF OUR PEOPLE -- and bring it back through ALL of your actions!!! Make a BIG NOISE and "GOOD TROUBLE."
I absolutely believe it. Especially when the results in those swing states voted trump at the top and no other candidates were voted for. Highly suspicious, yet not investigated.
I honestly don't know what I believe. I *hate* turning into an election denier--being just like they are. But here's a tidbit that is overlooked: The seven "swing states" ALL, improbably, went to trump. That didn't seem possible. But Nebraska, which divides its electoral votes, got our "blue dot" in CD2. It's almost like Musk didn't bother (or remember) to alter results in Nebraska. The blue dot also won in 2008 and 2020, and when it went blue, so did the rest of the country, UNTIL 2024. It just seems a bit fishy that a swing district in Nebraska would be blue but NOT ONE of the other swing states would. Let's just hope that Musk gets angry enough, or ketamine-addled enough, to spill it.
Sure Musk spilled the beans about tRUMP-Epstein, but he won't blurt the truth about this -- helping tRUMP win the election via sabotaging computer program run vote counting -- because he'd be facing prison. He's too cagey to jeopardize his own freedom... unless, as you say, he's ketamine-addled enough. Let's hope he does a glut of Special K to get him blabbing!
Ditto what Karen Johnson said above: tRUMP himself already did blab the truth, and I caught it on election night live news: He gleefully gloated that Musk fixed things in PA so he won the state! Right there on live news in color on our TVs! Check it out! Couldn't be clearer!
If Musk was offered a sweet enough plea deal, he'd sing like a canary in a coal mine in a New York minute. You know, one that included another $225 million contract for him to blow up rockets on our dime.
Yes, I believe you're right -- I forgot about plea deals offering immunity from prosecution. May it be thus! And kick Musk out of this country as part of his deal.
I don't know much about election laws in the swing states, but how far could a prosecution actually *go*? Trump would send his brownshirts after anyone who tried.
I’m with you regarding your election denier statement. At the same time it had crossed my mind after Trump’s remarks about Pennsylvania and winning because of Elon and his computer knowledge. Something to that effect, I don’t remember exactly. But reading this and these comments here … what a mess. I can’t even say a beautiful mess .. 😳
What I find interesting is that Musk was so specific about the Legislative vote count...
Good point!!
It is weird. I suppose it's plausibly hyperbole and bluster from that white supremacist con man. He has enough money to buy sufficiently competent hackers. But, he has shown time and time again through his words that he doesn't understand how this country was intended to work, doesn't care enough to learn, and has never *had* to learn these things—because money buys everything for this vile troll, who was born with an emerald spoon in his mouth. So it could just be an assertion that his money made the difference, and it's murky exactly how. Could also refer to any one of a number of things that made a difference, like precision-targeted social media propaganda, which definitely depressed turnout.
I absolutely agree with you John. It is incomprehensible and unforgivable that the Dem Party conceded too quickly, even before demanding voting machine audits and vote recounts in some of key districts. This should be standard practice in all presidential elections and the case is more compelling in this ultra high-stakes election
Yes, this is the main point here. I agree, Nancy.
I agree 100%. Living in one of those states, the fact the the Democratic candidate for senate won handily but Trump won the presidential election was highly suspect. And yes, not at least calling fir verification was a big mistake. I think there was trepidation after the disaster of Jan 6. And fear that if it was overturned, the carnage would have been even worse. So here we are...bereft of decency and democracy. So very sad.
Good point re fearing that tRUMP would unleash his hounds and wreak carnage if he didn't win. Are we that spineless that we'd back down from that fight? Are we that spineless that we'd let the Orange Malignance rig the election and win by cheating? Are we that spineless that we'd allow this monster to become our ILLEGITIMATE president because we dared not face what could've been a civil war if he lost?
And how are we liking the results of our cravenness? Anybody happy out there besides the diehard tRUMP cult zealots? Anybody liking the depraved, vicious changes wrought by this monster, this ILLEGITIMATE president? Anybody liking living in a dystopian fascist police state / oligarchy / dictatorship / kleptocratic kakistocracy? Are you good with this?
I mean, WTF, people?
Me personally, I was ready for civil war and willing to fight. I emailed a good friend months before election day telling her that I was prepared to take a stand if it came to civil war. I may not be able to do much at 75, but I'm willing to do whatever is necessary to save our country, our democracy, our Constitution. I'd procure supplies and drive them to the front lines, dole out food, bandage wounds, whatever I can, whatever this old body can do, I'd do.
Because continuing to live in a FREE COUNTRY means that much to me. Dying to preserve that would be an honorable way to go, and I'm saying that as a lifelong pacifist.
Right there with you
Absolutely!
Thank you!!!
My thoughts exactly
Agreed
It is very sad.
It will take many election cycles before I trust results as I did in the past. Trump refused to cede power and his position to Joe Biden. He was determined to get his second term and I do believe with Musk's tech savvy and money, he could have easily tweeked the vote count for Harris and other democrats. Harris conceded too quickly and I will never understand why. They had 3 months between the election and Trump's Inauguration to do some sort of investigation.
Don’t forget some help from Putin, also.
Joan,
The heritage foundation was making sure we lost.
I’ve believed since the election that Musk had something to do with cheating. There’s no way trump won all the swing states. Was so disappointed when Dems didn’t question this at the time.
It was rigged. 💯
Thank you. I've always believed there should have been a recount, but Dems, the Left and anti-Trumpers kept saying "Don't be like them! Don't be like the Right!" This was such a huge mistake. The media has propped up Trump for years. Even now they harp on Joe Biden and won't acknowledge the insanity of Trump. Until Democrats or an opposition party toughen up and quit being so passive nothing will change.
BRAVA -- well-stated!! Excellent points made!!
Well, except this: A recount would have been useless because millions of votes literally were disappeared, went MIA. Many of those were physically thrown in the garbage by vote counters (MAGAts I presume), and many others were probably disappeared by Musk and his unauthorized fiddling with vote counting programming and covering his techy tracks. All told an estimated approx 5-6 million votes went MIA.
So how can you recount them? They're gone. Sucked into the vortex never to be counted.
Ergo, an investigation must be conducted into all forms of voter suppression utilized by Team tRUMP and his mindless MAGAts. Already we know plenty of probative evidence that would stand up in court, and there is much more to uncover. We do know enough at this point to make a well-educated guess that Harris would have won by maybe 3 million votes (?) if this election had been legit.
"What then must we do?" Leo Tolstoy asked this. And for us, here & now, the answer is this: Contact again and again and again those who purport to represent you -- your Congress people & Senators -- and browbeat them silly until they finally get off their butts and take action and support an investigation. Be a gadfly! If enough of us tediously annoy our reps, maybe we'll get some truth.
WHAT RESULT DO I WANT? That a wholly new safeguarded vote will be taken -- sans antiquated unnecessary electoral college abomination -- that shows the true will of the people of this country.
A girl can do more than dream -- a girl can be a GRRRL and take action! Goes for you guys, too! We ourselves, not just our reps, also must quit being so passive!
Do you believe the 2024 election results were sound? Absolutely not.
Do you believe Elon Musk’s interference was within the bounds of legality? Absolutely NOT.
Should the Democrats have done more to verify the results? Yes.
It seems clear that Musk altered votes/results.
You are totally right and this has been beautifully written by you as something logical and possible and not just a conspiracy theory like the other side. This needs to be shouted from the rooftops!! But with Trump's lackeys fully in charge of the DOJ and other government offices, who would power such a thorough investigation that could be a major game changer if true facts came out?
My thoughts too: Harris conceded too quickly. Asking for recounts would have been a totally reasonable move. It’s not the same as filing 60 lawsuits, losing them, and then still insisting that we had won.
I have been saying this since the shocking reported results of Trump winning not only every swing state but the popular vote…NO FREAKING WAY!!! I’m I’m very upset that the Democrats did not even try to figure out how that had happened. 🤦🏼♀️
YES YES YES!
We need to be certain - and more and more of us are not.
Getting out of this autocratic hell will be difficult, and if it
turns out we should not have stopped the bus here, I’d be
Grateful to know.
I will continue to protest and promote and respond, but it would be helpful to feel like not all is lost and the people did the right thing.
Cheaters never win.
Maybe cheaters never win in the end, but here's where we're at right now: tRUMP DID WIN BY CHEATING, and he is our "president," albeit ILLEGITIMATE and monstrous and evil. And meanwhile, until he's ousted, we're forced to endure the chaos, pandemonium, uncertainty, anxiety, fear, lack of medical care and sky-rocketing food prices, brutal ICE grabs & deportations, countless abuses of civil rights and the rule of law, the flagrant fuck you disregard of our Constitution, and being pounded by many other fresh hells on a daily basis.
And that "meanwhile" will last until we all grow a pair of big brass clanking balls -- that includes us too, ladies -- and get off our butts and make every damn effort we can to oust this illegitimate cheating shithead malevolent perfidious "president."
I completely agree with you. I never understood why the Dems didn't call for a recount or audit. Especially in the swing states. This is another problem with the democratic party. Stop being so cooperative! That's what got us into this disastrous mess.